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    I hauled mine from New Hampshire to Florida years ago on a $75 do it your self trailer that I modified with a few 2x4 wall studs, some 1/4 inch stove bolts and lots of wire for brace.  It was ready for the feather fill but none had been put on.  No cushions or padding, everything just tied  down securely with ropes.  Got there ok without a scratch or dent anywhere.  Towed it behind my 280ZX with a bumper  attached trailer hitch That came off near New York city at a rest stop.  Put it back on in the rain and no more incidents. 

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    Re: wing attach points

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    Robin--------It's not a Dragonfly, but this is how i moved my Q.  Short slow distance.   I think the Dragonfly may be easier to move. Because you have the hoop gear, it shouldn't be that hard. I am a firm believer in the type of seran wrap you get at the hardware store. Wrap everything you think will move. Lots of foam and ratchet straps.  Because your canard is straight you may be able to lay it under the fuselage. The wing with the dihedral may sit on top or beside the canard with foam blocks for bracing.

     I'm sure you'll figure it out.

     Where are you moving to? If you are moving in Ontario, I live in Geraldton and you are welcome to stop by if you need to overnight or assistance.  Sorry, can't help you with a new wife, but sometimes that is a good thing.  Take care-----------  Chris


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    Re: wing attach points

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     Robin.. the tip foam is a good plan. The contour does not have to be exact by any means.  I used Wal Mart "swimming noodles" under my ratchet straps to protect the dragonfly surfaces from abrasion. Not too tight..just enough to prevent flight. End on into the wind it was not as big of problem as I thought it would be.  With a long trailer you'll be fine..should be no problems loading and unloading.  

     take photos when your loaded and on the way 🙂  I'll try to find my move photos I took in Missouri with the VW caddy "ready to NOT fly!" 
     

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    Re: wing attach points

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     This is one reason I went with Dragonfly surfaces too. The Q2 surfaces are bonded, can't unbolt to move the aircraft so moving a Q2 to the airport after final home shop build is a more difficult event.
      
     I trust the Dragonfly canard construction far more than the Q2 structural design.  It is very good that the Dragonfly is gaining interest..it is a very worthy design aircraft and would warm my heart if more were flying to Arlington, Sun N Fun, and of course, Oshkosh.   

     Charlie.. do you think the design rights would be possible to purchase again, just to clear up any legal barks? Any chance of finding the holder now? 

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    Re: wing attach points

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     Very similar to how I moved my canard and wing on a VW diesel pickup from Missouri where I linked up with William Wynne (who sold them to me for $1000) and drove to Taos New Mexico where my home was at the time. No problems. I used 2X4's cross braced with plumbing strapping pulled in tension tight over the truck bed. Split and covered the contact surfaces with colorful and cheap "swimming noodles" from Wal Mart and lots of duct tape. Lots of ratchet straps.  It was windy on the way to the Rocky's in Eastern Colorado.. no problems other than I couldn't get into 5th gear so my usual 55 mpg was down to 50. Later I swapped in a TDI 1.9 non electronic injected into the little "bunny truck" and that helped a bit at elevations over 5000 ASL. I ran pure veggie oil most of the time. Some modifications but overall it was not a big deal.  

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    Re: wing attach points

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    Thanks to all for the help. 

    With the hoop gear she gets to “taxi” all the way to the island. I’ll be using stretch wrap to cover the openings left by the wing and the canard.

    Charlie;

    I saw a picture of your move a while back and that was my original plan. But then I was able to borrow a trailer and with it being a full 8’ wide and 25’ long, all the bits should fit on it just fine.

    Anthony;

    My thought was to use a wood frame through the attach points and then foam at either tip for flex. I do see your point about the trailer transferring shock loads into those points. I like the idea of more foam. Build a frame at either end that allows for some movement but not directly into structure. Replace the frames at the hard points with foam. Will have to find the right squishyness of foam!

    Vern;

    I don’t have an easy way to get foam contoured to match. At least not inside my current allotted timeframe. I’ll be at the foam store tomorrow gauging various levels of the aforementioned squishyness.

    The divorce was very amicable. Best result for both of us. We should have done it sooner.

    Fredd;

    I’ll send some pictures and results after the move is complete. Always good to be moving out to the airport!

    More to come as the move progresses.


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    Robin

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    Re: wing attach points

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     Years ago we used to ship Falcon 20 fuselages inside a Lockheed C-130 from France to Little Rock on large styrofoam blocks that were cut to contour.  Even prior to the Mod work to convert for the Coast Guard they would rest comfortably on the same styrofoam blocks without any damage. It was the beadboard type of foam....not structural. I used to chew my mechanics out for screwing up and melting the foam with methyl ethyl ketone. Last thing we needed was a fuselage rolling off the styro blocks!

     Anyway.. 40 airplanes later not one was damaged on the trip over the pond and into Arkansas. I moved my wing and canard about the same distance by suspending them under a framework but would recommend having them indoors in the back of a moving van if possible. 

     Sorry to learn about the divorce. Been there done that. No matter what, it is just a sad sad event if for no other reason than the lost time out of ones life.  

    Frankenbird Vern    

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    Re: wing attach points

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    3/8" dia. should be fine.

    I'm sorry if you have already thought of this, or are planning for this, but attaching steel or wooden legs to these points and then sending them straight down to the trailer bed will impart too much shock load to the airframe during the drive, in my opinion.
    Incorporate some type of "soft" suspension into your transport frame and remove the engine, or just let the fuselage rest on a big (6 -10 inches thick) piece of soft furniture foam.

    Good luck with the move and I'm glad that it will be much closer to you.


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    Anthony Parker

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    wing attach points

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    Greetings Fellow Dragonfliers;


    A little background followed by a quick question.

    I have had my Mk IIH in “wings-off” storage for several years. Engine issues, followed by a divorce and moving to a new province 1000 kilometers (~620 miles) away has slowed my rebuild progress somewhat.

    The time has finally come to get the dragonfly to her new nest. Alas, she’ll make the trip on a trailer but being 15 minutes away instead of 15 hours away should make the logistics a bit easier.

    Now for the question. Does anyone know the diameter of the holes in the wing attach points? I plan on using those attach points as part of my securement strategy. Due to time constraints, I need to have everything with me when I arrive at the airport. No time for trips back and forth between the hardware store and the airport for supplies.

    Thanks for listening, and thanks for the help.

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    Cheers;

    Robin

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    Dragonfly Mk IIH

    Aviation
    For those who understand, no explanation is required.
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    "The purpose of man's existence on earth is to fly;
    time not spent flying, or preparing to fly, is wasted." - Burt Rutan

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